Yes, Terry, I remember Esther and Vicki Brown. I knew Buster Brown, Esther's late husband who owned a barber shop in Fort Worth. He once decided to keep his barber shop open on Mondays in defiance of the local custom. His shop was destroyed and he was beaten up badly and had all of his teeth knocked out. I remember Esther's Chinese husband, a fellow we knew as Tom. Esther and Tom Chin went to Bethel where they remained for many years. Years later, Vicki re-emerged telling horror stories about Esther, then Vicki disappeared again. Esther's mother was Boots Richardson, who professed to be of the anointed. I remember a piece you wrote about her some time back. Ask Johnny Petzold about Boots, Esther and Vicki.
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The punchline is tuna
by TerryWalstrom inthe punchline is "tuna".
(excerpt from my autobiography, a funny thing happened on my way to armageddon).
esther had very long, bright red hair like a disney character and she might have been almost attractive--if it weren't for two things.
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You might surprised how many JWs are homosexuals
by Roger Kirkpatrick incontrary to common belief, neither the bible nor the watchtower condemns homosexuality; however, they do condemn the practice of fornication.
homosexuality is same sex attraction whether such attraction is acted upon or not.
leviticus 20:13 describes a man having sexual relations with a man, or the act of fornication.
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Diogenesister, your point about homosexual JWs having no choice but to remain single really is sad. I knew of two lovely sisters who lived together and came to every meeting together, always sat together and held hands during prayers. Wherever you might bump into one of them, you never saw one without the other. Yes, there were whispers, but I have always believed in "live and let live," and mind your own business. And I think many would agree that the only way to remain a JW for very long is to perfect the art of living a double life regardless of one's sexual orientation.
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You might surprised how many JWs are homosexuals
by Roger Kirkpatrick incontrary to common belief, neither the bible nor the watchtower condemns homosexuality; however, they do condemn the practice of fornication.
homosexuality is same sex attraction whether such attraction is acted upon or not.
leviticus 20:13 describes a man having sexual relations with a man, or the act of fornication.
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Thank you, cofty, for the opportunity to clarify! I agree with Watchtower that those having same sex preference are rightly deemed homosexual regardless of whether they practice the lifestyle or not. One's personal choice of lifestyle and who one chooses to have sex with is none of my business.
Two elders actually told me that one who is not sexually active is neither heterosexual nor homosexual, but are virgins which are considered the same as eunuchs. I kid you not!
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You might surprised how many JWs are homosexuals
by Roger Kirkpatrick incontrary to common belief, neither the bible nor the watchtower condemns homosexuality; however, they do condemn the practice of fornication.
homosexuality is same sex attraction whether such attraction is acted upon or not.
leviticus 20:13 describes a man having sexual relations with a man, or the act of fornication.
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Contrary to common belief, neither the Bible nor the Watchtower condemns homosexuality; however, they do condemn the practice of fornication. Homosexuality is same sex attraction whether such attraction is acted upon or not. Leviticus 20:13 describes a man having sexual relations with a man, or the act of fornication. In a similar vein, the Bible condemns the practice of drunkenness as opposed to alcoholism, which is an unnatural desire for alcohol. Many alcoholics abstain from practicing drunkenness, and many homosexuals abstain from practicing fornication. The Bible makes a distinction between an inclination toward sin and the sinful act.
Over the years, the Watchtower published letters from elders, ministerial servants and other Witnesses in good standing who admitted having to strenuously fight their homosexual urges, most of whom were married to women, which begs the question, Do heterosexuals commonly have to fight homosexual urges?
In 1983, the Watchtower explained that the term homosexual could appropriately be applied to those who felt same sex attraction even if they never acted on such feelings. Of course, many ignorant elders held to the view that a homosexual was only one practicing homosexual fornication. Yet, a person who is sexually attracted to the opposite sex is considered heterosexual even if, for whatever reason, one chooses to remain single and celibate. So, a man once told a Witness that he would love to be a JW but he was homosexual and homosexuals could not become JWs. The Witness told the man that he might be surprised how many Witnesses are homosexual.
Therefore, it is appropriate to acknowledge that many Witnesses are homosexuals, just as many Witnesses are unmarried heterosexuals who choose to remain celibate. I knew a 50-year old Circuit Overseer who had never been married. When my local elders rejected a letter from the Branch supporting the viewpoint expressed above, that CO admitted to me in private that he was a celibate homosexual and he had never married because he was not sexually attracted to women.
I urge anyone who disagrees with these observations to view the excellent British film, "Victim," starring Dirk Bogarde, which can be viewed on YouTube. An attorney with political ambitions is gay, yet married to the woman he loves. He plans to draw out and expose someone who is blackmailing homosexuals throughout the city. (Prior to 1960, homosexuals in Britain were imprisoned.) In so doing, he becomes a victim of the blackmailer. In a pivotal scene, he is advised by a group of victims to simply pay the blackmailer. Explaining why he is the one best qualified to draw out and prosecute the blackmailer, he tells the group, "I share your instincts, but I have never acted on them!"
It is a very enlightening film and well illustrates the Watchtower's current view of homosexuality. I hasten to add that this is one of very few Watchtower teachings with which I remain in agreement.
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Do You Know Any “Gay” Jehovah’s Witnesses?
by minimus inof course the religion condemns homosexuality but did you know any gay witnesses?
i knew some bethelites that were very effeminate and i remember 4 women who were suspected of being lesbians by many in the congregation.
they eventually moved away and were very vocal against males, especially elders..
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snugglebunny, it is not only OK Biblically, that is the official Watchtower position on the matter, but most JWs are not aware of that. Therefore, it is perfectly appropriate to acknowledge that many Witnesses are homosexuals, just as many are unmarried heterosexuals who choose to remain celibate. I knew a 50-year old Circuit Overseer who had never married. When my local elders rejected a letter from the Branch supporting the view I expressed above, that CO admitted to me in private that he was a celibate homosexual and he had never married because he was not sexually attracted to women.
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Do You Know Any “Gay” Jehovah’s Witnesses?
by minimus inof course the religion condemns homosexuality but did you know any gay witnesses?
i knew some bethelites that were very effeminate and i remember 4 women who were suspected of being lesbians by many in the congregation.
they eventually moved away and were very vocal against males, especially elders..
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ShirleyW and Snugglebunny: Homosexuality is same sex attraction whether such attraction is acted upon or not. Leviticus describes a man having sexual relations with a man, or the act of fornication. In a similar vein, the Bible condemns the practice of drunkenness, not alcoholism, which is an unnatural desire for alcohol. Many alcoholics abstain from practicing drunkenness, and most homosexuals abstain from practicing fornication. The Bible makes a distinction between an inclination toward sin and the actually sin.
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Do You Know Any “Gay” Jehovah’s Witnesses?
by minimus inof course the religion condemns homosexuality but did you know any gay witnesses?
i knew some bethelites that were very effeminate and i remember 4 women who were suspected of being lesbians by many in the congregation.
they eventually moved away and were very vocal against males, especially elders..
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Snugglebunny, Homosexuality is same sex attraction whether such attraction is acted upon or not. Leviticus describes a man lying down with a man, or the act of fornication. In a similar vein, the Bible condemns the practice of drunkenness, not alcoholism, which is an unnatural desire for alcohol. Many alcoholics abstain from practicing drunkenness, and most homosexuals abstain from practicing fornication. It is a matter of making a distinction, and not all persons are able to do that.
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Do You Know Any “Gay” Jehovah’s Witnesses?
by minimus inof course the religion condemns homosexuality but did you know any gay witnesses?
i knew some bethelites that were very effeminate and i remember 4 women who were suspected of being lesbians by many in the congregation.
they eventually moved away and were very vocal against males, especially elders..
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Contrary to common belief, neither the Bible nor the Watchtower condemns homosexuality. They do condemn the practice of fornication. -
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Do You Know Any “Gay” Jehovah’s Witnesses?
by minimus inof course the religion condemns homosexuality but did you know any gay witnesses?
i knew some bethelites that were very effeminate and i remember 4 women who were suspected of being lesbians by many in the congregation.
they eventually moved away and were very vocal against males, especially elders..
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Over the years, the Watchtower published letters from elders, ministerial servants and other Witnesses in good standing who admitted having to strenuously fight their homosexual urges, most of whom were married to women, which begs the question, Do heterosexuals commonly have to fight homosexual urges?
In 1983, the Watchtower explained that the term homosexual could appropriately be applied to those who felt same sex attraction even if they never acted on such feelings. Of course, many ignorant elders held to the view that a homosexual was only one practicing homosexual fornication. Yet, a person who is sexually attracted to the opposite sex is considered heterosexual even if, for whatever reason, one chooses to remain single and celibate. So, a man once told a Witness that he would love to be a JW but he was homosexual and homosexuals could not become JWs. The Witness told the man that he might be surprised how many JWs are homosexual.
I urge anyone who disagrees with my comments to watch the excellent British film, "Victim," starring Dirk Bogarde, the complete version of which can be viewed on YouTube. An attorney with political ambitions is gay, yet married to the woman he loves. He plans to draw out and expose someone who is blackmailing homosexuals throughout the city. (Prior to 1960, homosexuals in Britain were imprisoned.) In so doing, he becomes a victim of the blackmailer. In a pivotal scene, he is advised by a group of victims to simply pay the blackmailer. Explaining why he is the one best qualified to draw out the blackmailer, he tells the group, "I share your instincts, but I have never acted on them!"
It is a very enlightening film and well illustrates the Watchtower's current view of homosexuality.
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An Active JW Sister Modelling For Me
by pale.emperor insince leaving the borg i jumped both feet first into classes i've always wanted to do but was never "allowed" to.
two of which are life drawing and photography.
i've been studying for almost two years now and have seen more nude men and women in our classes than i care to remember.. today in the photography studio i was working in with three others (two women, one man) we were told we had a new person modelling for us.
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My sister-in-law in Abilene, Texas, was a regular pioneer, married to the PO, yet she was in an art group which met every Monday night called the Dirty Drawers. They often had nude models.